That’s a good question.
We got an email from a Richard Hagen who’s taking an online course from the Berklee School of Music. He asked a really good question:
Why should I buy a Livid controller, and not an APC40 or a Novation or one of the many others that will soon hit the market?
His email was actually longer than that, with some good observations and criticisms. It provoked a long-winded response from me:
There are a lot of scenarios that give different answers to this, that cover the spectrum of “there’s no reason to buy a Livid controller” to “a Livid controller is perfect” to “perhaps Accounting and Finance is a good career.” I don’t really want to go into a sales pitch, make a table of features, and close a deal. I won’t tell you about how our flux capacitor is faster than the competition’s. I’m going to use your question as a way to articulate some things that don’t easily translate to a website or demo video.
For the person simply looking for a “mouse-replacement” or “DAW-style controller” for Ableton live, the APC40 is probably a good bet. It’s inexpensive, it has lots of labels that match the software, the colors of the LEDs match up to the software, you plug it in, and it’s configured to be used the way the engineers intended. For track controls, navigation in the app, transport controls, and some effects, it looks like a great solution. There’s people out there figuring out how it works, and making it do cool stuff.
Jay and I first saw the APC40 at the NAMM convention in January. We went to NAMM to meet with dealers and show them our plans for the year, sharing some prototype work of the Ohm64, prepared to highlight how we were evolving our existing Ohm controller (which was initially targeted at VJ’s), and broadening our reach to musicians. We felt like we had a unique product to offer.
Practically the first thing we saw when we walked into the giant convention hall was the APC40: a direct competitor, well-funded with an existing sales and marketing network, an established if not legendary brand, teamed with the hottest product, priced way below what we could imagine, speaking directly to the customers we had hoped to reach. It was a bit disheartening, to say the least, and brought up the very question you ask. Unfortunately for us, the dilemma was more an existential one: not “What do I buy?” but “Why am I here?”
The reason we are here is because we want to offer a foundation for gratifying creative work. As you’ve observed, our controllers are designed to work well with Ableton’s emphasis on tracks, clips and effects. A company called NativeKontrol (http://www.nativekontrol.com/) has even designed software that works “between” Live and the Ohm64 to provide the navigation control and automatic mapping of the environment.
However, we are attracted to more than the “meta-music” concepts of clips and tracks.
On the dry side of “music technology,” we provide Max/MSP source code and examples for our Editor. For those who want an easy way to setup our controllers, the Editor is an easy to use program with some nice features. For those who want to learn more about how software communicates to MIDI devices for configuration, or those interested in programming UI’s in Max/MSP, the Editor is a nice thing to tear apart and learn from. We’re not merely making a bullet line in a brochure “Easy to use Editor included,” we are providing a platform for use and learning. Working like this makes it easy for me to add features as they are requested. Since we released the Editor, I’ve added “scales and chords” for mapping a selected scale to the entire 8×8 grid, midi routing, and a lot more LED controls in direct response to user feedback.
The OhmSound application (also open-source) could provide a similar example, but it also highlights another motivation. OhmSound is a simple FM synth that is designed to map to all the controls and provide sophisticated control and playability of sound. I made this to provide a solid example of how one might approach building a single-player, expressive musical instrument using the Ohm64′s controls. OhmSound isn’t really designed to integrate into a production environment: no Rewire, no VST version. It’s really designed for play. Strings, reeds, and resonating bodies are no longer the only musical controls, but the industrial conveniences of knobs, button, and sliders have augmented musical reality such that they demand their own vocabulary of virtuosity. This is the language that Jay, Travis, and I want to develop. Moldover (Jay has known Matt for awhile, and just filmed a recent performance of his http://vimeo.com/7144978 – it’s damn cool), as you mention, is doing a great job speaking it.
Rounding out our approach to our hardware is our video software. We initially started (http://www.lividinstruments.com/about_history.php) by selling video software. Both Jay and I were attracted to the idea that musical ideas can be translated to the visual realm, and needed tools to exploit that. Even though we now emphasize sound and audio in our business dealings, the Ohm64 comes with a fully featured (and extensible) VJ software in CellDNA. This is definitely motivated by the business of providing VJ’s with a complete hardware-software package, but also motivated by wanting the musicians (the majority of our customers) to have a new artistic tool at their disposal.
To speak to the subject of your study and actual object of your question, Ableton is a very deep program, and with Max for Live coming out, it’s about to get a lot deeper. Musical innovation and meaningful artistic expression is going to demand that this depth is explored. All of our designs, activities, and softwares, current and future, are geared towards exploiting such depth. OhmSound, Cell, Union, and Looper are just the beginning – we will continue to cultivate and grow the examples and instruments, especially in Max for Live, that can be played with our controllers. I wish we could program them as fast as we dream them up, but that doesn’t happen (yet), so we have a lot of work ahead of us! It’s not inconceivable that “working with Live” means “building a synthesizer,” and for that, the more general layout and 8×8 grid of our hardware would give you a much better platform to build around.
Finally, there is the hardware itself. We build it with high-quality knobs and faders. We manufacture as much as possible in Austin, Texas. We maximize that facility not just because it helps control quality, but it keeps us closer to the things we build, lets us try new things, and customize our products on the fly. If we tried to outsource everything, Travis would be a bored manager in front of a spreadsheet and on the phone trying to beat out the lowest cost from a contractor. As it is, he has actual tangible pride in his work.
In short, we see our controllers as “living instruments” with new tools and examples that provide new (or duplicate old) ways of working. We consider the aesthetics of the controller, inspired by the beauty of traditional instruments. We even offered a recycling program for our first generation controllers, providing new Ohm64 “guts” for the previous Ohm! Currently, out of the box, it will be a bit less convenient than some other products . In the long run, however, it will be more engaging.


I have a few comments In response to this article. I currently evaluate quite a few devices for my site max4live.info. During the course of my evaluation, I take many things into consideration. Now my site is focused on Max For Live and it’s related technologies and such my opinions of products are related to how they work in this environment. However, while stating that, I also like products that work straight out of the box. One of the advantages that the Livid Instruments products have over the Akai is the fact that it can be mapped with the 3rd part Native Kontrol, but also send and receives very standardized commands that work well in Max For Live. The APC does work with Max For Live, but it required a lot more coaxing to get consistent results. The other advantage of the Livid Instruments products is the nice editor that allows you to edit how it communicates to the outside world. In the next few months i will be creating some nice pages that will outline the pro’s and con’s of a lot of hardware device. From the devices I have seen, you cannot beat the value, functionality, and build quality of the Livid Instruments hardware.
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I just got my Ohm64 last week, am currently on tour with it (http://tinyurl.com/yfnd44o), and am *thrilled* with this instrument. Before buying the Ohm I played around with an APC40 and here is what I’d say to someone looking at both devices:
If you’re an exclusive Ableton user who is specifically interested in the features the APC40 provides out of the box, then the APC40 is probably an excellent product for you. If, on the other hand, you are interested in doing pretty much *anything else* with your device – anything other than clip launching and effects/device twiddling in Ableton (i.e. playing your own software built in Max/MSP, performing VJ software, controlling soft synths, doing lighting control, driving a robotic fire-breathing sculpture, etc.) – I believe the Ohm64 is a far superior device with a much more open-ended design.
The 5×8 button grid on the APC40 (or 7×9 or 7x9x3x8, depending on how you look at it) doesn’t make any sense for musical/visual instrument control compared to the 8×8 grid on the Ohm. If you’re making your own software tools in Max or similar platforms, the mathematical sensibility of an 8×8 matrix is very elegant. Similarly, the Ohm64 can be re-programmed to output sensible MIDI messages that will save a lot of time programming/mapping, whereas the APC40 is hard-mapped to output messages that probably don’t make sense outside of Live.
Some points outside the realm of software:
I did like the faders and knobs on the APC40, but the buttons on the Ohm64 beat the pants off the APC40 buttons (in my own humble opinion). The faders and knobs on the Ohm64 are also really solid and great-feeling.
The Ohm64 is bus-powered whereas the APC40 requires an external power supply. This might seem like a small point, but I find that a minor convenience like that will mean I end up using a device a lot more. And when you’re on stage having one less power supply to plug in is a godsend.
The Ohm64 is has a friggin wood body. And it’s hand-made by a small company that is deeply invested in the arts. I already feel sentimentally attached to this device in a way that I just can’t with my factory-assembled made-in-China gear. Maybe I’m just sentimental.
That being said, the APC40 is a very cool device and the out-of-the-box functionality in Ableton is great. The $200 price difference is probably not small potatoes either, especially to students. I’ve been in the game for a long time so for me the extra $200 was not much at all when taking the long view.
Happy twiddling,
Jesse
http://jts3k.com
I have APC40+Launchpad+MPD24+OHM64+Livid-Brain+MPK49+MIDIFighter+MIDIAtor+LightStrib DUO+some other crap that slips my mind – so here’s some $0.02:
OHM64 = higher performance and less lag (I am rather sensitive to lag). Custom mapping is a base need for my set period! The editor and assignments are not perfect yet. I had a lot of problems, but after 100+ hours I am starting to see the performance I wanted all along. It was a struggle to get the OHM64 mapped to my very high standards but worth it in the end 101%.
APC series = MIDI hog – 10 channels in use (yes 10). No reassignment of notes (eliminates much of what I do), poor poor quality (that x-fader is an Alpha $3 retail sliding 10k pot), lots of wasted space and some other fatal flaws when you finally graduate to pro. A great bet for the beginner – a required step to the more advanced controllers.
Akai owned by same company as Alesis – a huge brand NO-NO!
Launchpad = If you think APC quality is low you should see how Novation builds. I have documented physical engineering flaws that would make your jaw drop – they don’t care either. Just like Alesis when I called up the Alesis dev team I ended up having them admit a feature in the instruction manual that was not on the unit (really). Novation Automap is a nightmare (borderline virus). The lag introduced using Automap is so bad I can’t play using custom mappings.
Having been a dealer for these companies and having contacts in the music industry I can tell you from first hand experience that Livid is a company worth doing business with – I am very happy with my O64 despite some near tragic issues out of the gate.
Keep up the good work guys, quality, attention to detail, and maintaining a good community is what it is all about!